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DateTue, 23 Jun 1998 140707 -0700
>From"Joyce O. Sloss" <JSLOSS@CAO.CI.LA.CA.US>
>Toowner-build-com-digest@libertynet.org
>SubjectTechnology Solutions
>The City of Los Angeles is investigating the establishment of neighborhood >councils and would like to know how other
cities use technology as a means to >enhance communication between neighborhood groups and between the groups and >the government.
>Is there special software available for this type of communication?
Do your >cities make computers available to neighborhood groups? How do you use >technology to insure that all neighbors and community stakeholders are kept >informed about local and regional issues?
>Los Angeles, a city of 3.5 million people, is so geographically spread out
that
it would be difficult for neighborhood groups in different geographic regions >to meet, although they may have a common issue.
>>I look forward to your innovative solutions and recommendations. Thanks.
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DateTue, 23 Jun 1998 183000 -0400
FromEd Schwartz <edcivic@libertynet.org>
SubjectReTechnology Solutions
Joyce-
Well, I suppose as the person who put this list together, I should be the first to answer this...I'll start with a self-serving
proposition. In 1996, i wrote a book called, "NetActivismHow Citizens Use the Internet,"
that goes into these issues in some depth. O'Reilly and Associates published it, but we're now marketing it directly out of the Institute.
If you (or anyone else) is interested, send me a note at
EDCIVIC@LIBERTYNET.ORG-- I capitalize this to highlight that you shouldn't send the request to the list-and I'll give you cost and how to get it.
A few specific answers to your questions
1. The best vehicle to provide information about government programs, legislation, upcoming events, etc. is the web. Whether
people will access your web site depends on how well it's designed, how easy it is to use, and how well you communicate what's on it through other means so that people learn what's on it. But for raw information,
the web is the best tool.
2. The best vehicle to encourage communication between citizens and between government and citizens is a listserv--like this
one. People who join a listserv are making a commitment to receive information and exchange ideas--as opposed to dropping in and out of web-based forums when it suits their fancy. As should be apparent from the
start-up problems in expanding this list, managing an email list is no easy task. But if you do it right, there's no better way to structure communications between civic activists, citizens, and between citizens and
government.
3. Between email lists and the web are web based forums. E-Democracy in Minneapolis has had some success with these. There, the
dialogue is maintained on a web page, with public postings of the exchanges. Unlike email, a person must go to the forum. But if you can create a sufficiently compelling online dialogue--as they do in Minneapolis--
it can work.There's no special software for this that I know of..and if there is, it isn't necessary. Creative use of the web, listservs, and email should provide all the resources you need to make this
happen.
The issues here, really, are substantive, not technical. The challenge comes in organizing information in ways that make sense to citizens and in structuring communications so that people can
benefit from it.
I spend a lot of time trying to do all this...and I'm still learning.
I'll be happy offer additional thoughts about it,but this is a start.
Ed Schwartz
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DateTue, 23 Jun 1998 164044 -0600
From"Five Points Media Center Corp."
<fpmc@5pointsmedia.org>
SubjectReTechnology Solutions
Ed/Joyce,
I guess I too should reply. The Five Points Telecommunity Network was launched in Denver, CO this week. You can
design a network around a specific neighborhood thereby addressing issues and concerns of these constituents or as Ed has done in Philly a much broader network.
Look at Blacksburg, VA, Libertynet, the Boulder Telecommunity Network and of course our own, Five Points at www.ourcommunity.org.
Elizabeth
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DateWed, 24 Jun 1998 122929 -0400
>RE Neighborhood Communication and Technology
Bill Dillon, Spokane,
>We have been working on a project to
"wire" our neighborhoods in Spokane, >Washington, with a special recognition of the importance of easy and quick >communications between neighborhood organizations, especially neighborhood
>councils, which, over the past two years, have begun to organize.
>While we certainly don't have all the answers, we are very aggressively >pursuing them. With the support of a very talented
AMERICORP VISTA, we are establishing "hubs" at our local community centers and "nodes" throughout our neighborhoods (especially our lower income neighborhoods), locating
computers in our COP Shops, school parent rooms, and hopefully fire stations, for public access. With a recent donation of 25 486 33mz >computers, it is our hope that each neighborhood council, steering >committee, etc.. will have a terminal, through which they can send or >receive information, participate in special purpose list-serves or forums.
>We are busy forming a wide variety of parterships to share the maintenance >and support responsibilities of what we
refer to as the NEIGHBORHOOD INFORMATION NETWORK. We are establishing a continuum of training and other >support needs, working with our local freenet, TINCAN, with our area trade >schools for web page
development and maintenance and computer maintenance.>
>Communication is the glue that ultimately holds EVERYTHING TOGETHER, and >will determine whether we succeed in a
multitude of other neighborhood >capacity-building intiatives in which we are involved. I'm attaching >several files (wordperfect 6.0) which breifly describe aspects of our effort.
>>Bill Dillon >Excutive Director
>Northeast Community Center Association
>Spokane, WA.
>bdillon@soar.com
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Date Sun, 23 Aug 1998 114100 EDT From SSPLICE@aol.com
Subject 1st Amendment and the internet
Hi I'm Steve Plice, Vice President of the Council of Neighborhood Associations (CONA) in St. Petersburg, Florida. I am interested in any comments or
suggestions this list may have concerning 1st Amendment issues and the Internet.
Here is the context of my question.
CONA is a private, not-for-profit organization. We applied for a small grant ($700) under our City's "Neighborhood Grant Program." Our grant application is to add a "listserv" and "chat room" feature to our webpage. The City's attorney had concerns about this grant, stating that since public money would pay for these forums, the First Amendment would apply. As a consequence, the attorney said, we would not be able to keep organizations like the Ku Klux Klan from participating. In response to the City Attorney's concerns, we stated that we have no wish to exclude anyone from the public forums we wish to create. We suggested that we may impose some rules for participation, similar to the rules our City Council imposes when conducting a public hearing. Our City Attorney remains opposed to our grant application on the basis that neither the City nor CONA would be able to control the content of discussions in this forum. Does anyone know of other cases where public money has been used to sponsor public forums using the Internet? Is there any information concerning problems or lack of problems that might arise from this activity? Thanks,
Steve Plice
Council of Neighborhood Associations (CONA) St. Petersburg, Florida -
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DateSun, 23 Aug 1998 152601 -0400
>FromDavid Swain <jcci2@leading.net>
>OrganizationJacksonville Community Council Inc.
>Tobuild-com@spruce.libertynet.org
>SubjectRe1st Amendment and the internet
>Steve and others, I've been working with a local group (nonprofit) trying to >establish a "freenet"
in Jacksonville.
We call it the Jacksonville Community Access Network, Inc. (JaxCAN!). Awhile ago I went to the City of Jacksonville on >behalf of JaxCAN, seeking whatever kind of cooperation, partnership, support, etc. etc. that lmight be available--and ran into the same response. The City's risk >management people were not willing to cooperate directly with any effort that was going to allow free discussion. So far, we haven't broken through with them. Of course, the open-access terminals in the public libraries can access the JaxCAN site, but they won't "advertise" the site or point to it on their site. Seems narrow minded to me, but they have been adamant here. So, I too would be interested in knowing whether there's any case law that might help us out.
Thanks for raising the issue.
David
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DateTue, 25 Aug 1998 141823 -0400
FromKim Trent
<cnd@korrnet.org>
SubjectRe1st Amendment and the internet
Hey Steve!
Boy I love the logic on this one. The attorney says he/she's worried about the 1st Amendment, but it
sounds like he/she wants to restrict speech. Your group obviously does not want to do that. We have the Knoxville - Oak Ridge Regional Network
(korrnet) here in Knoxville. It was spearheaded by the University of Tennessee, so I'm sure there are tax dollars involved. They have used public forums to gather citizen input on several controversial topics here (i.e. police review board, new convention center, new baseball stadium). You can get information on who to contact at www.korrnet.org. Good luck. I can't believe this is even an issue. I bet they fund newsletters without regulating content or contributors. Kim Trent
Center for Neighborhood Development
cnd@korrnet.org
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Date Sun, 12 Jul 1998 214431 -0600
Fromgarciac@bcn.boulder.co.us (Kathy Garcia)
SubjectCommunity Preparedness for Y2K Challenge
Hi everyone.
I just came back from a community meeting here in Boulder, Colorado regarding the Y2K challenge. For those of you who are not too familiar with this situation, I offer you the following explanation taken from Rachel's Environment and Health Weekly
What Is It?
We've been hearing about this problem for some time now, but like most people we have been ignoring it.
As with many problems, we clip articles about it, then file them for later reference. It's the Y2K problem. To a scientist, Y means Year and K means 1000, so Y2K refers to the year 2000 problem. It's a computer problem with possibly-serious environment and health implications.
Like most people, we are very suspicious of alarming predictions about the year 2000.
What finally focused our attention on the Y2K problem was a small item in the back pages of the NEW YORK TIMES Saturday June 13th.[1] It began, "The nation's utilities told a Senate panel today [June 12] that they were working to solve expected computer problems when 1999 ends but that they could not guarantee that the lights would not go out on Jan. 1, 2000."
The utilities say the lights may go out.
This seems like a problem worth examining. The TIMES went on, "An informal survey by a Senate panel of 10 of the nation's largest utilities serving 50 million people found none had a complete plan in case its computers failed because of the problem." The TIMES explained, "Many electrical plants use date-sensitive software to run built-in clocks that monitor and control the flow of power. These could fail if not updated."[1] The utilities say the lights may go out, yet none of them has a full contingency plan. How serious could this problem become?
Here is the cruxMany computers only recognize dates by two digits. In these computers, 67 is 1967 and 98 is 1998. In
these computers, a 00 date will mean 1900, not 2000, unless their software is re-written. When such computers start calculating or comparing dates after 1999 they won't work right --they may simply shut down, or
they may seem to run fine but produce incorrect information that is very hard to detect.
Computers that have this Y2K problem are called "noncompliant" computers, and it turns out there are quite a few of
them.
Many noncompliant computers are the really big "mainframe" machines that serve as the central nervous systems of financial institutions (banks, savings & loans, credit unions), stock exchanges, air traffic control systems, missile defense systems, government tax agencies, the Social Security Administration, the Medicare program, the insurance industry, and all of the Fortune 1000 multinational corporations. (And of course this problem is not limited to the U.S. Every industrialized country depends heavily upon large mainframe computers.)
A report published by Merrill Lynch, the financial management company, says flatly, "When the millenium arrives, many
computer systems and global networks will fail because of an inability to properly interpret dates beyond 1999."[2]
Mainframes will not be the only computers to fail on January 1, 2000 if they are still noncompliant by then.
Many industrial machines contain "embedded systems" --computer chips that are literally embedded within some larger piece of equipment, such as power stations, oil refineries, telephone switches, burglar alarms, emergency room equipment, air traffic control systems, military defense gear, and chemical plants, among others.
If you would like the full posting, I will be glad to email it to build-com and those who do not want it can just delete it.
And as just a side comment, many things will happen before the year 2000 that will remind us of this upcoming problem. Our meeting in Boulder was to begin to prepare our community for this challenge. Approximately 75 people came to the meeting. We were asked to name our biggest fear/concern. Thoughts ranged from how long it would last to providing for our families. We were also asked about what opportunties we saw with this challenge many said an ability to build a closer community and better ties with neighbors; a return to a simpler way of living; a way to bring our nation closer to its roots.
We were then asked to identify our passion and what our role would be in organizing community to meeting this challenge.
People came from all walks of life including; hospital representatives, heads of non-profits, former politicians, utilities, community members, techno wizards, communication companies, ministers, therapists, midwives, home school parents, etc. It was a productive meeting. The outcome is there will be a conference/workshop on August 20 through 23rd. The first days of the conference will be spent hearing experts talk about the realities of Y2K, and its effect on everyday life. The second portion of the conference will include how to store food, medical supplies, keeping warm in the winter, etc.
As a community organizer, my concern is getting this information to the underserved populations of our community and preparing
them for Y2k.
We are looking at community meetings and block parties to spread the word. Some of you may deny that this will happen and there are always two sides of every issue. However, the only downside I can see is that the community is well prepared for an emergency, and every household will have a surplus of food.
If you would like to know more about Y2K, here are some www websites
euy2k.com;
garynorth.com; yardeni.com; year2000.com; www.senate.gov/~bennett; survivey2k.com; millennia-bcs.com. This last site has great information about community preparedness groups across the country including Boulder.
I would love to hear other people's views on how to organize community. I understand Medford Oregon and a few other
communities are working to prepare for this challenge. Please let me know your ideas on this issue.
Kathy Garcia )
Boulder County Healthy Communities Initiative
garciac@bcn.boulder.co.us
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Date Mon, 13 Jul 1998 135649 -0700
From Roald Alexander <roald@npdc.org>|
SubjectReCommunity Preparedness for Y2K Challenge
Smaller organizations also need to be prepared for Y2K problems, otherwisethey will find their services disrupted. The
following information was supplied by one of our consultants to a local discussion group and may be of use to you if your organization is using either Macintosh or Windows machines. If you have additional questions
about this material, please reply to me at <roald@npdc.org>
The Year 2000 (Y2K) Problem and Nonprofits.
Will nonprofits by affected by Y2K? The answer is YES.
Are they prepared? The answer to this one is NO.
If a nonprofit does any of the following it will be affected to some extent (partial list)
1. Use PC computers for anything other than replacements for the typewriter.
2. Receive or send reports electronically to any state, federal or local government agency.
3. Transfer payroll information electronically to a bank.
4. Use DOS based programs such as FUNDMASTER, MEDIC, etc.
5. Are using older PCs that may not have a Y2K compliant BIOS.
I strongly recommend that someone, MIS if available, in every nonprofit read the article "Year 2000 Survival Guide"
in the July 1998 issue of BYTE magazine and follow the guidelines outlined in the article insofar as possible.
Each nonprofit will need to determine which computers and software it is using are Year 2000 compliant and make upgrades and changes as needed.
What operating systems are compliant?
DOS 6.22 is not compliant although Microsoft claims it is (partially).
DR DOS is compliant and will work with older
machines that have a non compliant BIOS. IBM PC-DOS 7.0 is compliant
Windows 3.1 is not compliant although Microsoft claims it is.
Compliance depends on DOS and BIOS. Will need new WINFILE.EXE
An estimated four out of five of the PCs using 16-bit Windows
(Windows 3.1 and Windows for Workgroups) will reboot to the year 1980 or 1984. You can find general information about this from Microsoft's viewpoint
and a photo of Bill Gates at http//www.microsoft.com/ithome/topics/year2k/default.htm
for more program and operating system info to http//www.microsoft.com/ithome/topics/year2k/product/product.htm and select a
product. WINFILE.EXE and other needed files for Windows operating systems can be downloaded from here after selecting the product and going to it's information page.
Windows Magazine has some good information and a downloadable file at http//www.winmag.com/people/melgan/year2000/ Y2K
utilities and test programs are available from http//www.RighTime.com/
"Most PCs will not enter year 2000 (why does it say 1980?) without help. So, from the author of Y2KPCPro and Year2000.Com,
here's Test2000.Exe - a simple, complete and free PC hardware year 2000 diagnostic."
Windows 95same as Windows 3.1
Will also need a new COMMAND.COM
Go to
http//www.microsoft.com/ithome/topics/year2k/product/product.htm then select Windows 95 and download the needed files form the Windows 95 information page.
There are probably dozens, or even hundreds, of shrink-wrapped Windows applications on the market with Y2K-related problems
waiting to happen. To find out if your application software is going to gag on the year 2000, or on the day Feb. 29, 2000, use the software to calculate and sort according to these dates and see what happens. If you
run into problems, contact your vendor.
For specific, step-by-step approaches to solving Y2K problems, check
outThe Year 2000 Web site (http//www.year2000.com/) Novell NetWareVersions 3.11 through 4.10 will need patches. Anything below 3.11 should be thrown out.
Apple Mac OSCompliant until 2040
Linux and UnixCompliant until 2038 depending on BIOS.
Windows NTCompliant depending on BIOS
Frank Arnold
Affiliate Consultant
Nonprofit Development Center
|- --Roald
Roald Alexander <roald@npdc.org> * (408) 247-9876
Nonprofit Development Center
1922 The Alameda, Suite 212 * San Jose, CA 95126-1430
Phone(408) 248-9505 * Fax(408) 248-9504
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DateFri, 17 Jul 1998 101020 +0000
From"philip" <philip@BALDWiLD.com>
Subject(Fwd) Y2K Don't Worry; Watch Your Paystubs
i asked my friend russell bell about the y2k problem. here is his analysis...
Date Thu, 16 Jul 1998 235049 -0700 (PDT)
From Russell Bell
<russell@brandx.net>
To philip@baldwild.com
Philip exaggerates my knowledge of the Y2K problem. It won't affect any significant software written for any IBM
or Apple PC or any Sun workstation or much of any computer built after 1970. It won't affect the internet. It will probably affect some financial software, such as that which calculates interest due on
loans or payable on balances.
But financial institutions will watch carefully for interest payable since that money will come out of their pocket and any mistake will generate 100 years' worth of interest, an amount that will surely attract their attention. Already the Y2K problem has arrived with some credit cards that expire in 00, which some computers take to mean that they expired 98 years ago. And banks have issued loans with 30-year maturities for more than 28 years now. Wall Street set up a parallel system, set the date to 19 Dec 1999, and is running a test now. I don't expect financial markets to crash because of Y2K, but we may have some small glitches.z
The navigational software on planes postdates the time when such software was written so I don't worry about planes
dropping out of the air.
The one place where we cannot test it and will have the hardest time fixing it is in chips with built-in clocks
installed in communications routers, vcrs, radios, microwave ovens, etc.
How many of these came along before we started using four digits for the date I don't know, at worst 5%, according to Intel. A lot of them don't need to know the real date but count ticks from an internal clock. The year means nothing to them. Some may need to synchronize with an external clock because they do something based on external time. We can't test them because we would have to take them apart and they are doing the work we want them to do. We don't want to build an entire replacement network to keep our communications running while we test them.
I suspect most of the sophisticated communications network we have constantly upgraded because of advances in technology. Who would even want to waste closet space on a 1983 personal computer?
Communications technology has improved as quickly.
Old stuff, like simple phone service, may have a problem, but not the new stuff. Companies with ancient accounting systems will screw up, but as long as employees remember their correct salaries and customers keep receipts and cancelled checks, customers and clients will have only the inconvenience of proving their proper status and companies will have to struggle internally with correcting their errors. I think most of the Y2K problem will happen here. I suppose some silly firm with a narrow competitive margin could lose enough advantage on a bad Y2K problem to go out of business and doubtless after all the buildup and new-millennium mania they will find an audience for their story but they will represent a minority and savvy viewers will understand this.
russell bell
flattery gets you invited to dinner; loyalty gets you invited to the funeral.
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-- lovehorse cowbell
DateSun, 19 Jul 1998 191106 -0600 Fromgarciac@bcn.boulder.co.us (Kathy Garcia)
SubjectRe(Fwd) Y2KDon't Worry; Watch Your Paystubs
>You wrotei asked my friend russell bell about the y2k problem. here is his >analysis... >
REPLY: We do not live in a vaccum, what effects others also effects us. We are all interconnected, spiritually and
physically. We have moved ourselves to a global economy. In this light let us look at what is truly happening. The Y2K problem is not just a US problem. It affects the world which relies on computers.
Currently, Asia is in a monetary crisis. All of > their energy is being spent trying to resolve this dilemma. They are not
dealing with the Y2K situation at all. Europe is moving to a european > currency to be online in January 1999. They too, with the exception of the London Stock Exchange, are not dealing with their Y2K
problem.
Russia's on the whole matter is they do not have a problem yet and will wait to 2000 to see if one develops (more
Chernobyl's?). The Middle East is trying
to solve its Y2K problems,especially in the Nile where 24 millon people > work in agriculture and depend on electrictiy for irrigation. The Egyptians are taking Y2K very seriously. Let us remember that one business/bank may be compliant, but I am sure the bank does business and invests in other banks. Are these others compliant? People fail to see the cascade effect of doing business with others. If other businesses or banks are not compliant they have a direct impact on us through our emeshed ties to one another. Currently, because of the Asian monetary crisis, Storage Tek, Adaptec, IBM, Seagate, Exabyte and Celestial Seasonings ( businesses in Boulder) are being effected. Storage Tek received 6% of its earnings from disk storage drives sold to Asia, ditto for the other companies to different degrees, > and Celestial Seasonings has seen a decline in their Japanese tea market.
Now magnify the loss to all US business who rely on labor and communication with Europe/Asia if Europe/Asia do not
resolve their Y2K problems. No US business is immune from the ripple affect of this situation. If US
businesses are affected, think of how many workers will be laid off until this Y2K problem abroad is resolved, or manufacturing once again begins in the US to replace parts and goods now purchased from abroad.
KLM has stated it will not be flying at the end of 1999 early 2000 unless
guarantees are made that airports have resolved their Y2K problems. Think of the impact of an inability to travel, received packages or mail from abroad. Telecommunication problems in Europe/Asia in 33 companies were having problems with Y2K fixes and 29 other comapnies are unaware of or have not begun to address the problem. Again, there is an impact on the US. Finally, if Egypt and the Middle East do not resolve their Y2K problem, where will the US get oil for gasoline. How will the US make up for loss of petro from the Middle East. Definitely gas shortages, and who will > determine who will be able to buy gasoline. Without gas, how do we transport food and other vital goods, how to we get our kids to school, go to work, etc. There are no silver bullets out there to solve this problem. Electricity is my biggest concern. We will be having a talk with our local utility company in September to get the odds on losing power, if even for a few days. Some utility companies are just beginning to look at their Y2K problems, and others are in the midst of solving and testing solutions.
When all is said and done, without power how do we help people function.
My work as a community organizer is to rally people to understand their assets and creative abilities to plan ahead. No, not for the worst case Armageddon scenario. But I believe people should put away enough food to last for 3-4 months, soup, chili, tuna, canned cooked meats, dried fruit, etc. , just in case. Believe me when I tell you that people feel a lot better when they know they can provide for themselves and their families during a crisis, and will have a clearer head to help others. Contingency plans should be devised for possible loss of power for a few days, a few weeks, a month, 3 months, etc. How will fire situations be handled with communication down - it will definately be up to neighbors and friends. Since this will occur in winter, how are provisions made for elderly and disabled? Most of the schools will remain closed due > to lack of transporation and power, so what are contingency measures?
What I am working with the community in Boulder County to do is (1) have a 4 month food and water supply available
(2) be prepared to get to know your family again (spouses and > kids.....what an eye opener and stresser this will be. can you imagine kids/adults with no TV, Nintendo, etc.) (3) be prepared to be responsible for yourself and your immediate >neighborhood. Something is going to happen because of Y2K. Definately a recession if Europe/Asia does not resolve its Y2K problems. Some will scream chicken little and armageddon, others will be in denial. Somewhere in the middle is the truth that something will happen to us because of Y2k........none of it bad. What is the downside to the preparation we are doing in Boulder? Well, we don't need the food for 4 months and we will have built a closer community who can respond together during a time of crisis.
The opposite side of this picture is a perceived lack by people which will create panick and riots. I am definitely one who will err on the side of
preparedness. I guess what I am surprised at is the lack of discussion about this matter on build-com. This is one area where we can help the neighborhoods we are working with. The President just addressed this issue at a press conference last Tuesday, and Senator Bennett has continued his call for utilities to report to congress. What's up folks? - -----------------
-- Kathy Garcia ) Boulder County Healthy Communities Initiative garciac@bcn.boulder.co.us
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DateMon, 20 Jul 1998 083435 +0000
From"philip" <philip@BALDWiLD.com>
SubjectY2K is a symptom, not a cause
kathy garcia,
a recession will not happen because of Y2K. a recession will occur because the world allows and encourages loose
borrowing standards. your concern about the Y2K problem is not misplaced, however, i consider Y2K to be a symptom rather than a cause.
for example, electricity companies are some of the richest companies
in our country. it is my opinion that many will use the Y2K problem to generate additional ratepayer funds instead of spending their own money to fix a straightforward problem. i would like to see community organizations insist that local utilities have a plan in place and establish financial penalties with utility commissions if the utilities fail to sustain service. that will get the job done.
we need to bring attention to this issue not fix it for others. we need to make sure that utilities and banks don't
abuse public hysteria about Y2K to get another free ride.
>DateTue, 25 Aug 1998 123032 -0700
>FromAlexia Parks <alexia@votelink.com>
>Reply-Toalexia@votelink.com
>OrganizationVotelink, Inc.
>To"JASteiner@aol.com" <JASteiner@aol.com>
>SubjectYear200 Citizen Dialogs
>John,
>Congratulations to all! Because of the extraordinary *thinking together* >that went on at the 4-day seminar, I've set up
a Citizen's Dialog web site that can serve as "the Grand Central Station" for interactive >discussions on Y2K. To participate, go to The Year2000 Citizen's Dialog ><http//www.votelink.com>
>P.S. Please help spread the word by forwarding this email to your >network. Participants can link articles and link web
sites from the >Votelink site.
>>Allbest,
>Alexia Parks
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